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As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample . 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater had only a mile to travel from the South Wales village of Penllergaer to the farm she lived on with her family. The unanswered question, however, is whether or not the killer was specifically waiting for Muriel or if any girl or woman who happened by would have made a suitable target. In the days and weeks that followed Muriel's murder, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. 0, Hi Tracey Thanks for reading and for sharing your thoughts on Muriels case. We know 100% that it is the killer's stain. Her mother was in the kitchen and . Hi Sherlock. Another witness came forward to tell the team that Ronnie Harries had worked on a farm in Penllergaer, evidence that was supported from a newspaper cutting at the time. Neil. On June 27, 1946, twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea. This will conclude a 10 year wait to see if Jones was indeed Muriels killer. [5], Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret (ne Morgans) Drinkwater. ", Muriel Drinkwater who was killed in June 1946. Updated: August 30, 2013 . Two other specific persons of interest have been put forward. I really appreciate your local insights. Also, it was near a Japanese plantation and the workers may have possibly assaulted her and the cigarette butts, bread and sweet wrappers may have come from the plantation. First, I was told that South Wales Police werent obliged to say. Police records from the time show that Muriel's mother was the last person to see her alive. I have informed South Wales Police regarding this information to save them a fortune on a wild goose chase trying to extract D.N.A. The team tracked down Harries' cousin Lynn Hughes who described how the only child had been "spoilt" by his parents and was very "childish". Now cutting-edge forensics to rival any TV thriller have identified her killers DNA, Unsolved: The Little Red Riding Hood murder, Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police, The Disappearance of Audrey Moran and Jonathan Reynoso. On 27th June 1946 a school girl was walking through countryside on her way home. Read about our approach to external linking. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. She was singing on the school bus with her friends, on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, when she was dropped on the side of the road near her family's farm on the outskirt of Swansea. Mudgee General Cemetery. My enquiries are now complete and have led me to believe that Harold Jones would have presented a danger to young girls throughout his life All relevant information has now been presented to South Wales Police, Major Crime Review Unit,who are currently in the process of making further inquiries into the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Todays' video is about the true crime story of the unsolved murder of 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater in 1946. I then appealed that decision and was shocked to be told that the information I requested had been eaten by vermin or had been damaged owing to a leaking roof. We could see it [had been] in a police station, but as it closed, where did it go next? Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? Thanks again for sharing this. Filmed as part of documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers, that is being shown on BBC Wales, the name of murderer Ronnie Harries, the last man to have been hanged in Carmarthen, has been put forward by the team that is headed by the former chief constable of Dyfed Powys Police Jackie Roberts. I informed D.C.I. I think it will be at least 3 months before anything definite will be announced. Thanks again and take care. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater ,[2] also known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. Was a local stalking Muriel? 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I personally think it was someone still in the area from the Second World war. "She lost sight of her for a few moments. I wonder if there was a sketch done when Hoyles confronted a man weeks earlier. Her route to her family's home Tyle-Du Farm entailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. For decades, a key person of interest in Muriels murder has been Hubert Hoyles. A familial DNA profile was extracted using a technique called Y-STR, but no match was found in the national DNA database. Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. will do what you suggest. "[14][5], In 2020, the BBC One documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers suggested that Ronnie Harries could be the murderer. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive. [citation needed], In 2009, Welsh police began reinvestigating any link with the murder of 11-year-old Sheila Martin, who was raped and strangled 250 miles away in Sun Hill Wood, Fawkham Green, Kent, on 7 July 1946, ten days after Drinkwater's murder. She was still wearing her school uniform. 'All historic murder cases, often referred to in the media as 'cold cases,' are allocated to the Specialist Crime Review Unit and remain under active consideration and will be subject of re-investigation as and when new information is received or when there are advances in forensic science. Lets deduce, her killer was obviously male, or were they, unless they had extracted the sperm from another person it is definite that they are a male, so we have a male, s/ that narrows it down. I am in regular contact with a niece of Muriel Drinkwater who has told me that members of her family gave South Wales Police samples of their D.N.A.. He can't understand why people would think he killed them. Advertisement. Hoyles lamented, For years, Ive lived with the knowledge that some people in the community suspected me. Muriel Drinkwater was raped and shot dead as she walked home from a school bus in Penllergaer, Swansea, Serial killer Harold Jones (pictured as a 15-year-old) killed two young girls when he was just 15 and was jailed for 20 years. Oftentimes the public wonders why resources should be allocated to cold cases such as Muriels, cases in which most of victims immediate family, and even the perpetrator, are likely dead. If you have any information about Muriels murder, please contact the South Wales Policevia email at[emailprotected], Mystery of 1946 murder in woods BBC News article, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. He died at that address in 1971. Importantly, though, the DNA results cleared Hoyles of any involvement in Muriels murder. Medicaid to cut 14 MILLION Americans from health coverage as states crack down on eligibility for the first time in three years after numbers soared during COVID - so are you at risk? On this occasion he was rude to me claiming that he knew nothing about any information sent to South Wales Police from D.C. Paul Rogers. Also, as I understand matters, members of Muriels family have given DNA samples to ascertain whether Muriels father may have killed her. ADVERTISEMENT BY ANCESTRY.COM. Her name was written in copper plate, Muriel J Drinkwater, and they were examined by the forensic expert who did some incredible work for us, and was able to find this full crime stain on the back of Muriel's little school mac. The team also uncovered a book that had once belonged to Muriel but was found in a Carmarthen charity shop. Police confirmed a cold case review on the stain found on Muriel's coat in 1946 had now been tested by forensics teams. There was a camp a mile away in Grovesend. The crime scene is a short distance from the farmhouse. Hard to work out the logic of your comment Charlotte? Victor said that the programme had made him suspicious as to whether Florences killer Harold Jones who had been released from a 20 year prison sentence in 1941 for the Abertillery murders was responsible for 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwaters death. Bethell was thrilled to discover that on the back of the coat, a no-longer visible dried semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. Bethell sent the coat toDr. Colin Dark, and over the course of three years (MUCH longer than depicted on television and in the movies) Bethell analyzed the material and was able to extract enough fragments of DNA tosuccessfully create a Y-STR profile from the semen stain. left on the coat was compared to D.N.A. 'Due to advances in forensic technology we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule out Harold Jones completely as a suspect in this case. I have requested information regarding the cost of the re-investigation of Muriels murder since 2008. Given that Hoyles was the last person to see Muriel alive, he quickly fell under a thick veil of suspicion. Advertisement. SOUTH Wales Police's Specialist Crime Review Unit has been investigating the murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater whose body was found in Penllergaer Woods, Swansea in 1946. Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater (left) might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer Harold Jones when she was raped and murdered in 1946. Update: I have left it two weeks for the . If you have any new information I would be extremely interested to hear it! I can be contacted at [emailprotected] or via Facebook messenger. profiling cleared Hubert who stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name.). I suggest reaching out to a DNA expert and seeing what insight they might be able to provide. Regards. Forensic scientist Dr Colin Dark said that the stain had been found on the lower flap of Muriel's coat. [4], More than 3,000 mourners attended Drinkwater's funeral on 2 July. Adding: Please may I make a comment that the information that I request would be available via computer in an instant. . Her eyes were wide open and her skin was deathly white. It became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder - but who killed Muriel Drinkwater? In August, the police appealed to the U.S. public for assistance, as many Americans had been stationed in Penllergaer during the recent Second World War and there was a possibility one of the servicemen had sold the weapon. Then for 3 years he was registered at Colinette Road Putney as Harry Stevens. Although he was first registered at Widdows Fulham address at Hestercombe Avenue in 1947 as Harold Jones, the following years and up until 1962 he was registered as Harry Stevens. "Given the sheer level of violence that he inflicted on his own relatives, I can't quite believe that this would be the first instance of his violence.". Thank you once again and I wish you every success with your forthcoming publication. Hi Neil. Take a second to support Christine on Patreon! Some companies will provide you with upto 6 generations. On 30 March 2010 the Times Online quoted an unnamed police source with South Wales Police as saying: We have a real problem with amateur sleuths in this area. The last person who reported seeing her was Hubert Hoyles, then 13, who passed her on the path returning from her family farm, where he had gone to buy eggs. Up Next. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home she was murdered. Welsh author Neil Milkinsargues that Harold Jones,a convicted murderer who killed two girls in Abertillery in 1921 when he was just 15 years old, was Muriels killer. Hi Neil. to have gone on to kill six women in London in the 1960s - and was dubbed Jack The Stripper. Regards. Murder. [9] Detectives from Scotland Yard came to Swansea to assist in the investigation. You will need a male dna profile from a decendent on harold joness family tree. Perhaps one day then there'll still be justice for Muriel Drinkwater - even if it might have to stretch beyond the grave. Is it possible that scientists could examine Muriels coat and find another profile that could be compared to Jones daughters D.N.A.? Yet, despite their exhaustive enquiries - not to mention the discovery of the gun used in Muriel's shooting - the culprit managed to evade justice. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest daughter of four born to Margaret and John Percival Drinkwater, a smallholder and forestry worker in Swansea, Wales. Muriel was murdered 16 years before I was born, but it was a story I had heard from a young age. Yet, despite their exhaustive enquiries - not to mention the discovery of the gun used in Muriel's shooting - the culprit managed to evade justice. Her mother Margaret watched from the house as the youngest of. Margaret went out into the yard and her and Muriel exchanged waves. The D.N.A. I agree with the killer being male and the suggested age range. This forensic approach is becoming more common. Detective Chief Inspector Mark Lewis, head of the Specialist Crime Review Unit said: 'The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. The path she walked home on curved in and out of the woods; her mother saw her walking home along the path and into the woods, but not come out again. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. ", * Dark Land: Hunting the Killers is on BBC iPlayer, School friends at the grave of Muriel Drinkwater, whose murder in 1946 remains one of the most horrifying in Welsh history. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. In fact, it was recently used to identifyJoseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer who is thought to be responsible for at least a dozen murders and 50 rapes in the 1970s and 1980s in the United States. Interesting case Christine. The 12-year-old attended Gowerton County Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirlMuriel Drinkwater's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. It truly is baffling and I cant help but wonder what they are trying to hide (and why!). I think it was suggested that the police thought that the family knew more than they were letting on. Just a few thoughts, so we can deduce its a man, not too young to be weaker than Muriel, not to old because they would be frail, so we are saying middle aged man in 1946. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. 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As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample . 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater had only a mile to travel from the South Wales village of Penllergaer to the farm she lived on with her family. The unanswered question, however, is whether or not the killer was specifically waiting for Muriel or if any girl or woman who happened by would have made a suitable target. In the days and weeks that followed Muriel's murder, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. 0, Hi Tracey Thanks for reading and for sharing your thoughts on Muriels case. We know 100% that it is the killer's stain. Her mother was in the kitchen and . Hi Sherlock. Another witness came forward to tell the team that Ronnie Harries had worked on a farm in Penllergaer, evidence that was supported from a newspaper cutting at the time. Neil. On June 27, 1946, twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea. This will conclude a 10 year wait to see if Jones was indeed Muriels killer. [5], Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret (ne Morgans) Drinkwater. ", Muriel Drinkwater who was killed in June 1946. Updated: August 30, 2013 . Two other specific persons of interest have been put forward. I really appreciate your local insights. Also, it was near a Japanese plantation and the workers may have possibly assaulted her and the cigarette butts, bread and sweet wrappers may have come from the plantation. First, I was told that South Wales Police werent obliged to say. Police records from the time show that Muriel's mother was the last person to see her alive. I have informed South Wales Police regarding this information to save them a fortune on a wild goose chase trying to extract D.N.A. The team tracked down Harries' cousin Lynn Hughes who described how the only child had been "spoilt" by his parents and was very "childish". Now cutting-edge forensics to rival any TV thriller have identified her killers DNA, Unsolved: The Little Red Riding Hood murder, Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police, The Disappearance of Audrey Moran and Jonathan Reynoso. On 27th June 1946 a school girl was walking through countryside on her way home. Read about our approach to external linking. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. She was singing on the school bus with her friends, on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, when she was dropped on the side of the road near her family's farm on the outskirt of Swansea. Mudgee General Cemetery. My enquiries are now complete and have led me to believe that Harold Jones would have presented a danger to young girls throughout his life All relevant information has now been presented to South Wales Police, Major Crime Review Unit,who are currently in the process of making further inquiries into the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Todays' video is about the true crime story of the unsolved murder of 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater in 1946. I then appealed that decision and was shocked to be told that the information I requested had been eaten by vermin or had been damaged owing to a leaking roof. We could see it [had been] in a police station, but as it closed, where did it go next? Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? Thanks again for sharing this. Filmed as part of documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers, that is being shown on BBC Wales, the name of murderer Ronnie Harries, the last man to have been hanged in Carmarthen, has been put forward by the team that is headed by the former chief constable of Dyfed Powys Police Jackie Roberts. I informed D.C.I. I think it will be at least 3 months before anything definite will be announced. Thanks again and take care. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater ,[2] also known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. Was a local stalking Muriel? 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I personally think it was someone still in the area from the Second World war. "She lost sight of her for a few moments. I wonder if there was a sketch done when Hoyles confronted a man weeks earlier. Her route to her family's home Tyle-Du Farm entailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. For decades, a key person of interest in Muriels murder has been Hubert Hoyles. A familial DNA profile was extracted using a technique called Y-STR, but no match was found in the national DNA database. Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. will do what you suggest. "[14][5], In 2020, the BBC One documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers suggested that Ronnie Harries could be the murderer. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive. [citation needed], In 2009, Welsh police began reinvestigating any link with the murder of 11-year-old Sheila Martin, who was raped and strangled 250 miles away in Sun Hill Wood, Fawkham Green, Kent, on 7 July 1946, ten days after Drinkwater's murder. She was still wearing her school uniform. 'All historic murder cases, often referred to in the media as 'cold cases,' are allocated to the Specialist Crime Review Unit and remain under active consideration and will be subject of re-investigation as and when new information is received or when there are advances in forensic science. Lets deduce, her killer was obviously male, or were they, unless they had extracted the sperm from another person it is definite that they are a male, so we have a male, s/ that narrows it down. I am in regular contact with a niece of Muriel Drinkwater who has told me that members of her family gave South Wales Police samples of their D.N.A.. He can't understand why people would think he killed them. Advertisement. Hoyles lamented, For years, Ive lived with the knowledge that some people in the community suspected me. Muriel Drinkwater was raped and shot dead as she walked home from a school bus in Penllergaer, Swansea, Serial killer Harold Jones (pictured as a 15-year-old) killed two young girls when he was just 15 and was jailed for 20 years. Oftentimes the public wonders why resources should be allocated to cold cases such as Muriels, cases in which most of victims immediate family, and even the perpetrator, are likely dead. If you have any information about Muriels murder, please contact the South Wales Policevia email at[emailprotected], Mystery of 1946 murder in woods BBC News article, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. He died at that address in 1971. Importantly, though, the DNA results cleared Hoyles of any involvement in Muriels murder. Medicaid to cut 14 MILLION Americans from health coverage as states crack down on eligibility for the first time in three years after numbers soared during COVID - so are you at risk? On this occasion he was rude to me claiming that he knew nothing about any information sent to South Wales Police from D.C. Paul Rogers. Also, as I understand matters, members of Muriels family have given DNA samples to ascertain whether Muriels father may have killed her. ADVERTISEMENT BY ANCESTRY.COM. Her name was written in copper plate, Muriel J Drinkwater, and they were examined by the forensic expert who did some incredible work for us, and was able to find this full crime stain on the back of Muriel's little school mac. The team also uncovered a book that had once belonged to Muriel but was found in a Carmarthen charity shop. Police confirmed a cold case review on the stain found on Muriel's coat in 1946 had now been tested by forensics teams. There was a camp a mile away in Grovesend. The crime scene is a short distance from the farmhouse. Hard to work out the logic of your comment Charlotte? Victor said that the programme had made him suspicious as to whether Florences killer Harold Jones who had been released from a 20 year prison sentence in 1941 for the Abertillery murders was responsible for 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwaters death. Bethell was thrilled to discover that on the back of the coat, a no-longer visible dried semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. Bethell sent the coat toDr. Colin Dark, and over the course of three years (MUCH longer than depicted on television and in the movies) Bethell analyzed the material and was able to extract enough fragments of DNA tosuccessfully create a Y-STR profile from the semen stain. left on the coat was compared to D.N.A. 'Due to advances in forensic technology we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule out Harold Jones completely as a suspect in this case. I have requested information regarding the cost of the re-investigation of Muriels murder since 2008. Given that Hoyles was the last person to see Muriel alive, he quickly fell under a thick veil of suspicion. Advertisement. SOUTH Wales Police's Specialist Crime Review Unit has been investigating the murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater whose body was found in Penllergaer Woods, Swansea in 1946. Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater (left) might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer Harold Jones when she was raped and murdered in 1946. Update: I have left it two weeks for the . If you have any new information I would be extremely interested to hear it! I can be contacted at [emailprotected] or via Facebook messenger. profiling cleared Hubert who stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name.). I suggest reaching out to a DNA expert and seeing what insight they might be able to provide. Regards. Forensic scientist Dr Colin Dark said that the stain had been found on the lower flap of Muriel's coat. [4], More than 3,000 mourners attended Drinkwater's funeral on 2 July. Adding: Please may I make a comment that the information that I request would be available via computer in an instant. . Her eyes were wide open and her skin was deathly white. It became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder - but who killed Muriel Drinkwater? In August, the police appealed to the U.S. public for assistance, as many Americans had been stationed in Penllergaer during the recent Second World War and there was a possibility one of the servicemen had sold the weapon. Then for 3 years he was registered at Colinette Road Putney as Harry Stevens. Although he was first registered at Widdows Fulham address at Hestercombe Avenue in 1947 as Harold Jones, the following years and up until 1962 he was registered as Harry Stevens. "Given the sheer level of violence that he inflicted on his own relatives, I can't quite believe that this would be the first instance of his violence.". Thank you once again and I wish you every success with your forthcoming publication. Hi Neil. Take a second to support Christine on Patreon! Some companies will provide you with upto 6 generations. On 30 March 2010 the Times Online quoted an unnamed police source with South Wales Police as saying: We have a real problem with amateur sleuths in this area. The last person who reported seeing her was Hubert Hoyles, then 13, who passed her on the path returning from her family farm, where he had gone to buy eggs. Up Next. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home she was murdered. Welsh author Neil Milkinsargues that Harold Jones,a convicted murderer who killed two girls in Abertillery in 1921 when he was just 15 years old, was Muriels killer. Hi Neil. to have gone on to kill six women in London in the 1960s - and was dubbed Jack The Stripper. Regards. Murder. [9] Detectives from Scotland Yard came to Swansea to assist in the investigation. You will need a male dna profile from a decendent on harold joness family tree. Perhaps one day then there'll still be justice for Muriel Drinkwater - even if it might have to stretch beyond the grave. Is it possible that scientists could examine Muriels coat and find another profile that could be compared to Jones daughters D.N.A.? Yet, despite their exhaustive enquiries - not to mention the discovery of the gun used in Muriel's shooting - the culprit managed to evade justice. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest daughter of four born to Margaret and John Percival Drinkwater, a smallholder and forestry worker in Swansea, Wales. Muriel was murdered 16 years before I was born, but it was a story I had heard from a young age. Yet, despite their exhaustive enquiries - not to mention the discovery of the gun used in Muriel's shooting - the culprit managed to evade justice. Her mother Margaret watched from the house as the youngest of. Margaret went out into the yard and her and Muriel exchanged waves. The D.N.A. I agree with the killer being male and the suggested age range. This forensic approach is becoming more common. Detective Chief Inspector Mark Lewis, head of the Specialist Crime Review Unit said: 'The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. The path she walked home on curved in and out of the woods; her mother saw her walking home along the path and into the woods, but not come out again. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. ", * Dark Land: Hunting the Killers is on BBC iPlayer, School friends at the grave of Muriel Drinkwater, whose murder in 1946 remains one of the most horrifying in Welsh history. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. In fact, it was recently used to identifyJoseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer who is thought to be responsible for at least a dozen murders and 50 rapes in the 1970s and 1980s in the United States. Interesting case Christine. The 12-year-old attended Gowerton County Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirlMuriel Drinkwater's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. It truly is baffling and I cant help but wonder what they are trying to hide (and why!). I think it was suggested that the police thought that the family knew more than they were letting on. Just a few thoughts, so we can deduce its a man, not too young to be weaker than Muriel, not to old because they would be frail, so we are saying middle aged man in 1946. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. 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