It's kind of an unfortunate reason for Barry Mehler to have gone viral, right? Ultimately, the Holocaust showed the world the inevitable consequences of eugenics, and there was a great moral reckoning, which led to in agreement about race and race science. Rigo:In 1961, he co founded a journal called the Mankind Quarterly, and guess who's funding the journal? Bill:In general, Pioneer funded two different groups of recipients. Lisa:He's a psychologist. Distillations Podcast | February 21, 2023, innate_podart_900x600x300_episode6_bg.jpeg, Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race, National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom, The American Breed: Nazi eugenics and the origins of the Pioneer Fund, The Funding of Scientific Racism: Wickliffe Draper and the Pioneer Fund, The New Eugenics: Academic Racism in the U.S. Today, The High-Flying, Death-Defying Discovery of Helium. Barry:It still is, but even ore so then. Rigo:They're projecting, obviously. I mean, that's some classic, "Oh, at least these guys tell it how it is." Barry:I've had a sense of urgency that goes back a very, very long time. Lisa:Okay. Rigo:Right. I mean the first thing that comes to mind for me is The Bell Curve by Charles Murray, which was huge. Barry:I came across Roger Pearson right away, I mean really early on. on January 8, 2023. Every place I went for a scientist, uh, or a- an activist who had been involved in these issues, there was connections between them and Draper and Pioneer. So now my anti racism was, was visible, very visible. This is Bill Tucker. Rigo:Bill Tucket says that when Shockley came out as a racist in the 1960s, The Pioneer Fund must have felt like they won the lottery without even buying a ticket. Lisa:That blows right past yikes into holy crap territory. I mean, they hid themselves for decades, right, behind the scenes so they don't want someone who's gonna be a lightening rod for controversy. The Pioneer paid for it, but the Harvard Educational Review published it. additions to the collection, news, and events. The book has 57 pages of bibliography, many from mainstream scientific journals, but some of them are far from reputable. Find out all the details of his life The Bell Curve was The Pioneer Fund's biggest win when it was published in 1994. This was also done to make it seem like there were more race scientists than there actually were. Instead, they used various combinations. I was the only one really putting together these strands because I was reading the racist newspapers. For more information, please contact. Remember, Pearson is one of the founders of the Mankind Quarterly. And when I say a Nazi magazine, the logo literally had a swastika in it, and then he wrote an article that claimed that Jews had started World War II, and they were trying to exterminate the Germans so they were the victims. Digitized material in this online archive may document imagery or language that reflects racist, ableist, sexist, homophobic, or otherwise offensive and harmful beliefs and actions in history. You see, I don't see it in terms of we're making progress, and these people are on the run. By being the first and most vocal critical of The Pioneer Fund and neo Nazis, it made him a target. So the short story is that for Barry Mehler, all of this is personal, so when I ask him how he fell into this work, he took me back to his childhood in 1960s New York, where he was just a regular Jewish kid. Decades later, it still sounds the same. Lisa:Ah, charming. Search the history of over 797 billion I want my name to be associated with my work. Rigo:One of the people to receive the most money from Draper and the Pioneer Fund was the founder of the Mankind Quarterly, Roger Pearson. James E. Woods Innateis made possible in part by the National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom. It was the first talk show that included audience participation and ran for 29 years on national TV. Some are big name academics at big name universities. 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I went to the police about the swastika on the mailbox and they said, "Yeah, you know, that's just kids, you know, and look, they didn't even do it right. Rigo:Exactly. Barry:His father left 11 million dollars, um, which was quite a fortune in, in those days. The Hagley Digital Archives provides online access to selected items from the Hagley Library's collection of images, documents, and publications related to the history of business, technology, and society. He's, he's got this letter from the president saying that, you know, he's a terrific guy and you should support his publication. Lisa:So what happened to The Pioneer Fund? Use science to shield the race science. Barry:I took the racists seriously and I listened directly to them, and what I would simply do is, um, I would join. I, I think they hate him, which raises the question for me, you know, he might be this prestigious academic, but if he's not popular, if his ideas are this controversial, how does he keep having the platform that he has? Lisa:I appreciate how clearly Barry Mehler gets to the heart of the issue. [laughs] And, you know, and he's arguing that you can't boost their IQ by, uh, any kind of environmental changes, which is kind of an absurd argument anyway to make. 7 No. It was much more prevalent in the earlier part of the 20th Century, but as it has become less and less popular among, uh, the academic mainstream, the few people who still adhere to it are those funded by Pioneer. He started researching eugenics in grad school, and his methods were not typical to say the least. Americans were getting spooked by what they saw in Germany. Barry:Jensen and Shockley were stars, were, were Pioneer stars, and they received huge amounts of money from The Pioneer Fund. McNeil/Leher Report:Race remains one of this country's most divisive topics and a controversial book with racially charged findings hasn't helped the debate. Rigo:And since then, Mehler has always operated under the assumption that Nazis never really went away, and as it turns out, he's right. If you are concerned about the archival material presented here, or want to learn more about our ongoing work, please contact us at research@hagley.org. Rigo:And method number two is hide the funding source. Barry:He is eventually recognized by the Nazi government in 1936, both because of his work in the sterilization area, but also because he was a major proponent of the so called Racial Integrity Laws, the laws that prohibited people from being married if they were from different races. This is an episode from the spring of 1990. He's even polished when he starts talking about things like sex. ", And in a number of cases, it wasn't even money for the research, it was just money for the individuals, gifts, large gifts of personal checks to the people who carry on this research. I'm curious about how you would respond to that. Rigo:Right. In his four-and-a-half hour Archive interview, Phil Donahue describes the meandering path that led to hosting his long-running talk show, The Phil Donahue Show aka Donahue. In a 14 minute video mailers heard using profane language directed at both his students. This We're not making progress here. Rigo:What's interesting about eugenics is that it's a dirty word now, but in the 1920s and the early 1930s, they were mainstream ideas, they were in vogue. on May 24, 2022, https://mytvlog.blogspot.com/2010/03/phil-donahue-show-1970-tv-series-1970.html, There are no reviews yet. Rigo:Somebody painted a swastika on his mailbox. He seemed to be enamored of his Army experience, and that was his primary identification all his life, especially since he never really had a job of any sort. So about the third or fourth show, Iwent out in the audience and it saved us. Rigo:Yeah. Stay informed! Rigo:Yeah. They didn't really care about the science, but they relied on the science to give some sort of validity to their claims of racial inferiority, and Arthur Jensen was literally a star. Rigo: Barry Mehler's TV appearances made Roger Pearson furious. Hagley Library is engaged in ongoing efforts to address and responsibly present evidence of oppression and injustice in our collections. So, Lisa, I know that you've done some research on eugenics because we've done other episodes that touch on it. Lisa:So it strikes me as we're watching this footage of the Phil Donahue Show that the audience is not responding the way Rushton would like them to, I think. So where does all of this start? No one asked any embarrassing questions, you know-. Rigo:Exactly. Nobody wants to know that stuff, and nobody is really offended by it. I can't imagine how Barry Mehler feels watching this all explode and then kind of die down and become less controversial again. Lisa:This is that method one you mentioned, right? Search the history of over 797 billion So they could see it. Lisa:Sure. What's going on with him? Rigo:So instead of going to the police, Barry asked his friends who used to be Marines to come live in his house with their guns and their 125 pound rottweiler. We were the leaders in the field. We were on the run. Having said that, The Pioneer Fund succeeded in their eugenic ideas surviving. The Special Collections Department collects and preserves rare and unique materials including rare books, oral histories, university archives, historical manuscripts, maps, microfilm, photographs, art and artifacts. The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Lisa:Sorry, Rigo, we haven't gotten to the really crazy part yet? web pages Lisa:Back up a second. ". Los Angeles - 1985 - Janet Leigh Jamie Lee Curtis.ia.mp4, Donahue. And by now, it's 1930s, and guess who else likes the idea of sterilizing people they deem to be inferior? Barry:Here was, uh, a guy who subscribed to The Thunderbolt. Barry:This kind of propaganda, and this kind of advocacy goes on for some time. Unless otherwise noted, this file is provided for educational and research purposes only. Search the history of over 797 billion However, Phil's life changed after meeting Marlo Thomas on his talk show. Bill:The Mankind Quarterly is a very interesting publication. Sam Harris:People don't want to hear that intelligence is a real thing, and that some people have more of it than others, and they certainly don't want to hear the average IQ differs across races and ethnic groups. Actually, this brings something up for me. Lisa:Let me guess the angle here. There are no reviews yet. Angela:And the consensus was set in stone really by UNESCO, um, in the 1950s in a set of declarations in which they essentially stated that race is a social construct, it doesn't have any biological validity, and that was signed by a number of scientists, anthropologists, policymakers all over the world. So The Pioneer Fund doesn't really care about the science. There would've been no 'Donahue' show without that studio audience.". Lisa:Oh, right. I'm sure the teenagers loved it. And one day while he was reading The Thunderbolt, Barry sees a familiar name, William Shockley. Then the black population in the United States on the average. What he's just been talking about. And actually, they found ours a bit too strict. The Phil Donahue Show (1976 - 1992) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive The Phil Donahue Show (1976 - 1992) Topics Phil Barry:I mean, to this day I can't, you know, tell you what that does to me. When you do research, funded research, you're kind of beholden to your funder in certain ways, right? It's kind of a fitting name because he was born into a wealthy family in 1891. He was a legend in Silicon Valley. John Wayne appears on a 1976 episode of Donahue in front of an audience largely populated by women, and he discusses his life, his career, his stint as a singing cowboy, Ronald Reagan, impressionists, pornography, and much more. News archive:Some of the ideas found in the book, the bell curve are not new. Rigo:So this incident sent Mehler on a path. Lisa:So they really do move underground. WebThe Phil Donahue Show All Episodes 1967 - 1994 Season 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 15 14 13 1 All Overview 54 Episodes IMDB TMDB TVDB Fanart.tv JustWatch Wikipedia Rigo:While some of The Pioneer Fund scientists like Shockley are public facing, the Pioneer itself liked to remain out of the spotlight. Enjoy! Lisa:It works sort of like a bat signal, but instead of attracting superheroes, you uncover white supremacists. The group behind it bombed a synagogue in 1958, just to give you a sense of who they were. Uploaded by He stumbles his way into Harvard but he has very mediocre grades, and he eventually joins the Army, where he works his way up to the rank of Colonel. He was in deep. Rigo:They were very entangled. Let's switch gears and talk about the bearded guy on the right, who has amazing muttonchops. This is why the book claims blacks are disproportionately living in poverty and also more likely to commit crime. He was an avowed racist, and pretty public about it. Yes, and then these checks were often for ample amounts in the thousands of dollars to people, uh, just because Draper or Pioneer liked what they were doing. There are somebody who's at the top. Episode 1 from the Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race series. And not only survive, but was able to, um, make significant contribution to our understanding of what is actually going on. The Price is Right? Germany modeled its involuntary sterilization laws on ours. Barry:And he puts this thing together which immediately is picked up by the American racist right, and the networking is incredible. He recalls how his success hosting the call-in radio talk show, "Conversation Piece," in Dayton, Ohio sparked the interest of the local television station's general manager. So I want to take you back to the 1990s with this video that I found on YouTube. Paul: And while he's in Europe Draper quite literally pals around with Nazis. on the Internet. I've never mailed my stuff out, but that was exactly what The Pioneer Fund was doing, and, and it was a, a strategy that they had to disseminate their information. You know? And the whole thing in a way does confirm what Barry Mehler had an inkling of since he was a boy. Published through Distillations, the Science History Institutes highly acclaimed digital content platform, the project examines the scientific origins of support for racist theories, practices, and policies. [laughs] You'd probably groan and hope you, like, you could avoid him at a faculty mixer, right? Rigo:Yeah. Barry:We had DEFCON levels at my house, levels of security. This becomes very clear when you start looking into the citations of the book. So this is essentially what Arthur Jensen is arguing, you know, why serve breakfast to school kids if it's not going to improve their performance? Uploaded by He travels to Spain. Bill:Draper guarded his own identity very, very carefully so that very few people knew of who was this, uh, multimillionaire who behind the scenes was putting up the money. His guest for the episode was Charles Murray, who co-authored the 1994 book, The Bell Curve. Lisa:Oh, this is another opportunity for me to go Wickliffe Preston Draper, isn't it? The ideology, the quote, unquote, "scientific support for racial hierarchy," This stuff is getting mainstreamed in the 1990s, isn't it? Lisa:I really take Mehler's point there. Boy, they must have hit it off right away. 7 No. Subscribe to our quarterly newsletter for the latest If a white supremacist wanted to discredit what you have to say, they, they might say, "Barry Mehler is a unreliable narrator because look at what happened." He took off his kippah and pretended he wasn't Jewish, and he embedded himself with neo Nazis. He also shares the story of meeting wife Marlo Thomas, how he feels about being parodied on Saturday Night Live, and what he really thinks of Oprah Winfrey. Lisa:So, and this is really just personal curiosity, what about Barry Mehler? WebHost Phil Donahue questions Bill Clinton and Albert Gore, Jr. in the studios of Nashville's WSMV-TV, taking questions from members of the audience including Stacy Harris who Listen to this. So, what it suggested was that Draper and Pioneer really took the initiative in every case, and reached out to these people, and tried to subsidize them once it realized that these were people who were doing things that would be of interest to Pioneer's agenda. And on the other hand were the political people who did the actual exploiting. So he's not just in academic conferences with Nazis, he's also quite literally on the battlefield with them. I mean, he's, he's this well spoken fellow in a nice suit. Barry:I want you to know that it was extremely important to me to make the connection to Nazis because that's what people understood. web pages Various episodes of theThe Phil Donahue Show (1976 - 1992). Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. Despite what most people would agree were really problematic endeavors, Pearson did not have trouble finding a job in academia. Commercials were cut during the broadcast. There were some consequences, though. Format Moving Image. Barry:And he's endorsed by President Ronald Reagan, uh, right? And remember, the Harvard Educational Review, they published it. 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Rigo:Yeah. Bill:I figured, okay. After the publishing of The Bell Curve, and the controversy surrounding it, The Pioneer Fund decided to step out of the spotlight and continue doing the things they knew how to do well since 1937, which was to mail out unsolicited propaganda to prominent scientists and politicians. Rigo:No. These things meant a lot to him, and he has a huge inheritance burning a hole in his pocket, so he's looking around for a great social cause to pour his money into, so he becomes drawn to what else but eugenics. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. They weren't seeing the things that Barry was seeing, so Mehler goes down the rabbit hole of white supremacist literature, and what he finds shocks him even more. They printed and mail unsolicited propaganda to scientists, politicians, and other influential people. WebEmployment at the Library & Archives. Phil Donahue Show was my favourite! 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