Still he says, Willow Creek should be able to survive, even if the allegations against Bill Hybels are true. 40 years of it. And my guess is the elders dont know either. And jet setting. I do agree with you, however, that there is enough blame and there has been enough time and somebody should have done something long ago, if that is what you are saying. I outlined above the typical reasons people dont mention uncomfortable incidents with someone they trust or admire. All so sad! 1 comment about arms This morning, Nancy Ortberg posted Flawed Process, Wounded Women on her website. Read the Bible Dee. @ Lea: Either way, doesnt matter. You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. Hes probably kicking himself for the missed opportunity! When the founding big cheeses are gone (sorta) the factions start forming. Why wait until now?? He describes how skilled offenders select, set up, groom, offend against, re-groom and then re-offend against the woman/women they target. Married: Spouse: Lynne Hybels (m. 1974) Son/Daughter: Yes (Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels) Earning: $95,000 : Net Worth: Time for repentance not damage control. They also have two children together, whose name we don't know. Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! Thank you for adding some lightness to this overwhelming news. Ummm-not exactly. I would assume these claims are multi million. A quick glance at google and apparently hugging is drugging when it comes to the brain. analytical thinking. The Eurythmics. Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. Churches are in the state they are in because they refuse to seek truth and call the words of victims gossip. If it is seeing a good friend after a long time, a family member, etc, understandable. Call only those whose backgrounds really do show *above reproach* character. However, for people like those profiled on this site who have fallen short in protecting those under their charge (say, by covering ups their own misdeeds and/or crimes or those of others) to reemerge in a place where they again wish to wield spiritual authority (by starting another ministry (sic) in which they assume spiritual leadership or selling books advising sheep on spiritual matters seeking funding from said sheep in each case) is massively troubling. I think I hugged my coworker of ten years when he retired, Paul actually recommends we greet one another with a holy kiss.. No one walks away unascathed. And once thats done, the only way to survive is to seize the throne Myself. Surely someone from the WCC trebuchet club could have found somebody better at weaving a tale. They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. Hybels considers himself first among equals in the fraternity of evangelical pastors. Bills own admission appears to have been made at a meeting with certain Elders and Willow Creek Association Board members. Get this straight. ) bugs me. Tsk.) come out of the woodwork. What BH did is reprehensible. They have much easier prey in a church setting, as the sheep expect the shepherds to be godly, trustworthy and above such things as looking to get laid. Bill Hybels has stepped down. Christianity is so intertwined with our society as the religion that the majority, if they dont believe, at least pay lip service to. For you cross land and sea to make a single convert, only to turn him into twice the Child of Hell as yourselves! Things are starting to get ugly. The Kingdom of God is not massive corporate structures and clever corporate game plans. But thats over the course of 42 years of ministry! The Spirit does the work: both in the calling and in the conversion. John Ortberg served (1994-2003) as teaching pastor at Chicagos Willow Creek Community Church. Add a spiritual plastic Jesus fish to the scenario above and its 10x easier to manipulate. Chicago Tribune article #5, by Manya Brachear Pashman. I will tell you that the deception factor and the manipulation that went on with mega church staff is why I am not very understanding about anything that happens in them. Moths making holes in a cloak, Same story we keep hearing again and again. Dee, is Julie a new commenter here? The existence of an impartial documented history of 2 years worth of 1150 emails between Bill and the other woman is stark corroboration. Trying to encourage and create the best in everyone.. I was deeply wounded and deeply burdened with guilt and self anger. One has nothing to do with the other. in one of those situations. The fact that just a bunch of us posting our opinions on blogs can cause such a ruckus tells me we are touching infected nerves.. I think Bill Hybels is an intelligent man. Instead, these women were displayed like his leadership trophies. Rats gnawing cables in two; Note: Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church. Nothing brings the True Believer attack dogs out of the woodwork like even the hint of Blasphemy against their REAL god. Long after no one can remember Willow Creek and the building is long gone, Jesus will still be Lord. U.S. Pastor Allegations. when Bill Hybels prayed for/about something no matter what it was, that according to Hybels God always answered him immediately or within days, Indeed, the Lords hand is not too short to save, and His ear is not too deaf to hear. I felt something was amiss with the email story when I first heard about it. This was mishandled. Indeed. Because saving his legacy saves Willow Creek. They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. This is Uncharted Territory for them. I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. Willow Creek Community Church initially started as a high school ministry but grew over time to become one of the biggest Churches in the United . This is a crucial part of dealing with horrors of abuse. Sexual predation is not based on *wanting to have sex. Some people left, but our church has been transformed. I know this because I have experienced it myself. I underestimated their ability to constantly reinvent themselves to keep the money flowing. Prayer Requests The people there sold out to it will protect it at all costs. And my guess is the elders dont know either. But then, Im just The Crazy Kid, and hes always been the Sweet Little Angel. For most organizations, hard questions and analytical thinking is NOT desirable, as it will almost always challenges the official orthodoxy and might even unmask hidden agendas. The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. 1 comment about arms He just got knocked off his pedestal and some of his supporters are throwing up their hands in despair. is lynne hybels still married to bill. They are not valid reasons. The whole church is in our thoughts and prayers. Its very complicated. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. I was joking about the dog. There are many similar type of things over the years I did not mention. Wow!!! Barb, I must say, you have this amazing gift of being able to cut through a persons (premeditated) bullpoo. I sat on a committee for two years which did nothing but brainstorm ways to increase retention rates and decrease progression time through our programsour biggest nightmare was the student who didnt get connected to some group, we knew they were likely to get lonely, drop out, go back to their hometown and become a settled-in townie. Your comments prove your ignorance and arrogance. @ Julie: Working our works out of view, Its not about perfection but it is about striving to be. William Hybels is an American author and church figure. How would it be possible to remain as a staff member and not address the issue? The term sometimes used is secure email. My first international trip with Willow Creek as a staff member was to Tasmania. That this has to be explained in The Church is unbelievable. So grateful for this much-needed emphasis this weekend. My mom was abused sexually. For the measure you use, it will be measured to you. To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. Actually, hugging creates a release of oxytocin (also known as the cuddle hormone) in the human body, which can artificially create a sense of trust and closeness. havent forgotten. @ dee: Brad, not all of us read or study the scriptures with the same filter. One of the grandkids hugs on the yorkiepoo all the time. Once, while Mr. Hybels's wife, Lynne, and. So Im now wondering. Willow Creek's stature in the Christian community may have also helped Lynne Hybels, Bill's wife. Drawing as much of the world into church as they can, while still appearing to be Christian. It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer. They did exactly what most ministry people do. The fact that people post here and not just give up on the church and Christainty gives me great comfort the NT clearly warns of false profits amoung the brethern and clearly teaches we should have qualified leaders. Once again, you are doing Satans work not Gods. ", © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. The woman alleging an affair with Bill said that she was suicidal, both to Leanne and to Bill. (Hoping they picked the right winning faction). All so sad! Plausible deniability for Bill. Rob Bells questioning of Hell has earned him a spot on the heresy list. Mahaney books. Written in 1999! No longer have their careers as a result of their actions I want to express my gratitude to Nancy for coming forward. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. Since Hybels resigned, a few of the accusers have stated that they did not want it to come to that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0EtdtPi8w. Or, for instance, a pastor may be forever fishing to see what his parishioners know as to the latest church scandal, etc., without the trusting individuals ever even know this is taking place. Even our laws in the US lead to punishment o f one chooses to disobey them . Among the prominent U.S. and Palestinian church voices who spoke was Lynne Hybels, co-founder with her pastor husband Bill of the Chicago area Willow Creek Church, which itself spawned a . Who is the current pastor of Willow Creek Church? @ brad/futuristguy: If you (the church at Ephesus) do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. Rev 2:7. Hybels used Yahweh (God) for his own desires and celebrity. I know a lot of people who just want Christian life to be perfect and they will use every type of denial tactic to believe thats true. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? Ive been wondering if church leaders with abusive pastors have become convinced (or have convinced themselves) that, 1) Sexual misconduct is somehow rampant among charismatic pastors In her statement Monday, Niequist said she remains "in relationship with my dad." "I love him, & I always will. @ jackie: Look up who are semitic people. To teach Nancy a lesson with deflection? Exactly. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. A seminary student molested a bunch of boys at my former church. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) Some will walk away all together from their faith journey.. It never ceases to amaze me that the Pew sitters continue on without ever demanding to see a detailed budget. Now the manipulation continues as the abused who have raised their voices are abused yet again. Our job is to sow seeds. No one walks away unascathed. Pulling the of the devil card is vintage playbook. God is not in the business of secretly brainwashing and subtly mind controlling people. But Hybels and Willow Creek kept moving forward. These things dont work without followers and their money. By Thriftbooks.com User, June 15, 2004 This is the greatest study bible that I have seen. Its ridiculous. People were being killed, thrown to lions and tarred and set on fire to be torches for for Neros garden parties. @ okrapod: HE GOT AWAY WITH IT, SO CAN I! My only (small) hang-up is that the authors, Bill and Lynne Hybels, use examples and stories that are probably pretty dated for 22-28 year-olds getting married nowadays. Be the one who is loving and kind in the midst of sorrow, showing us that you trust Jesus to bring something beautiful out of this pain. Her pastor said that her body belonged to her husband and he could do whatever he wanted to do. I had the same thought about his promotion of women. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! So, if we are all prone to sin, how can anyone come to the faith according to your paradigm? I am a Billy Graham fan, just so you know. Wondering if the old frog in the pot was happening at the church, including John Ortberg. That is not old school. I dont fault them for that, but its what happens. @ dee: I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. Sidenote: My (female) cousin took it personally one time when we side hugged her instead of a full hug! If any Pastor asked me to have a private, evening chat about leadership I would have looked like a leaf trembling in the wind. -Behaviors went on for many years It does not promise moonlight, roses and a string quartet. To me its a faux and phony culture that cant get over itself. I suspect one does not not from creepy hugs, but research shows it is true in more ambivalent hugs, or hugs where someone is already inclined to have even a small degree of trust (e.g. In 2001 my church began instituting #MLKWeekend in our annual church calendar, focusing on teachings of #MLK & the tragic legacy of systemic racism. The plastic fish on the car in the church parking lot purchased at the church gift store. And what is important here is that authoritarian control, often gained through emotional, spiritual and or sexual abuse is frequently used to establish control and enable institutions to achieve whatever it is their true agendas are. But she was trying to equate her comraderly relationship with Ortberg the same as women who have come forward concerning hybels Behavior. Hence, I like Brad Futurist guys work, though I do find it sometimes too intellectual for me! However it can also be decentralized and setup so that only the sender and receiver can read and no backdoor (and even they cant read if they lose the keys). Alas, sometimes the reactions of people reveal of whom they are a true disciple. WCC defenders. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Wouldnt a practice of permanently deleting emails create potential legal liability for the person and the institution? The important thing is to get people on the bandwagon, and manipulate them to maintain their undying love and loyalty. Come Lord Jesus! Of course, some people, probably many people, will do things just for politeness sake. So, why were Hybels emails so important that they had to be deleted? @ dee: If they were sent and stored in a encrypted format, then you would need the key to open them and read them. I have big concerns about lumping everything under that umbrella. Salvation: in the ned this in the hands of the One with the higher Pay Grade. She no longer attended church (for at least a year) and she no longer trusted Jesus. Betty Schmidt gave 5 specific ways the current Willow Creek elders have misquoted and misrepresented her. It was humbling for you, but there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. Read the books and follow the formula. @ okrapod: Jesus Christ is the assessory. My former abusive, cultish and abuser-friendly church was positively obsessed with unity. The pastor preached on it continually. What would you have suggested she tell her husband? No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. Im not saying any of that is right. If someone thinks so, tell me how. We still do not know what that really means. And worse, to make rock stars of them? As a victim-advocate and blogger, I feel isolated because of my time zone. I saw this in mega churches and just about every secular organization I was in. I go even further with it, Jack. How to build a corporation in 5 easy steps. The news of the divorce came as a shock to many, as the couple had always seemed to have a strong and healthy relationship. When its someone you respect and trust, you dont expect aberrant behavior and you are surprised by it. Dave Dummitt These things seem like nitpicking until you have more information. Look at it this way, if they had waited just 6-months longer Brother Hybels would have been given an honorable exit from the ministry as he faded into retirement without facing these allegations. If we removed the words and reasoning from the picture, it could be seen precisely as that but not when we see the object and the need for the action. Hybels told her he had taken Ambien to give himself an excuse for not remembering all the wrongs he had done and said to her that night in his room. What is the Body of Christ? Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. And it still doesnt negate what Bill Hybels did, even if it were to be true. This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. I believe the accusers in this case especially since you corroborate that they knew the difference in a hug and a hug. There was also some sort of one world conspiracy deal. When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. How to build a corporation in 5 easy steps. And every word in it, every allegation, is completely irrelevant to the issues that forced Bill Hybels into an early retirement. That is where I had to start over. (Currently deemed questionable at best.). . The information given was half-truths and from the very first email sent out from the elderslacking wisdom and discernment. Who would I tell? Look for similarities with the other victims testimonies. We notice them! And people are actually saying Hybels being a champion of women was under false pretenses, for Sex? You tell your kids That was wrong. It works but is it the faith? @ Lydia: Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching padtor) does not have the best reputation either. The Gospels that I read portray a Jesus that constainly questioned the established and told parables about what is moral that makes you walk away and think. I treated my childhood dog like a doll. WITCHES! These things are often expected immediately in the Christian world. This story involved a fourteen-year sexual affair. Lengthy quotes rarely get read and can be annoying. 2. Nothing can really tear down the church, as I think it was Law Prof that said, but people can get pretty mad when their fantasy of church and the people that promote that fantasy are shown to be very imperfect. I dont understand the focus by this and other commenters on when did she tell her husband. We would use the suite for meetings, as well as gatherings for medical professionals. Wonder who taught Billy to dress like a leader. It has been posted several times. She no longer attended church (for at least a year) and she no longer trusted Jesus. This makes my blood boil. Family. How would it be possible to remain as a staff member and not address the issue? https://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Cults-Insidious-All-Consuming-Organization/dp/0814404936. His third publisher, Zondervan, has not yet responded to inquiries. Where is the debater of this age? People are observing us, day in and day out. Kick out the immoral/abusive pastors. Hybels condemned himself. And Charisma House/new Mark Driscoll book . @WillowCreekCC. Wherever my story takes me, however dark and difficult the theme, there is always some hope and redemption, not because readers like happy endings, but because I am an optimist at heart. normal life stuff. Are you really saying we would not judge anyone for anything? Bingo. Thats how they get by with it. Try finding a church now that sings traditional hymns or doesnt use projectors and worship teams. What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. This is exactly what I had in mind!? So they were flying around the world together living it up on the giving units dimes. I know men who are capable of hugging without copping a feel Oh yeah. I do. There were some very attractive female students. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! We have a problem with people who just do not care, apparently, that theyre engaging in classic rationalization techniques to minimize something that is quite serious. after the perps death before she told anyone. He could claim that she was making up her story. He could have retired during the Big 40th celebration and the women could have been supported and validated. If you arent a hugger, you arent a hugger. The inner motivations and thoughts of an individual. This is just how we do; I dont know. Thanks, Futurist Guy. Whats being destroyed is the idol worship of Bill Hybels. There will be a full court press to save Hybels legacy. Where I work we are required to use the company secure email system if sending high or moderate risk information (e.g., social security numbers, credit card numbers, student records, health information). The faith survived the persecutions.It will survive Bill Hybels indiscretions. As it has been stated in widening circles of social media, under these circumstances (such as: improper investigation, witness discounting/tampering/intemadation, and most important lack of following scriptural guidelines) the Willow Creek 501(c)3 church organization by many credible voices has been deemed/proscribed as no longer a(n) safe or scriptural place to attend or be a part of. So, it is imperative to preserve discoverables especially as the destruction or withholding of them may mean the court can interpret that act as consciousness of guilt and therefore assume that the evidence went against the case of spoliators. But if you read Jodies clever rant, take ortberg name out of the picture and just think about what the culture was like there. People have been had. My bad. Peter loved Jesus and responded in anger- causing physical harm to Malchus. I actually thought it was funny. Interesting how you get it, but those in high places do not. FWIW, Id love the notification option tooI have the opposite problem as Barb. First-run movies, gym memberships, bowling alleys, rock-climbing, restaurant franchises, lotsa merch & swag, all for a simple swipe or tap of your card (or phone app) charging each and every tap/swipe to your student loan? That seems inappropriate. Im not saying any of that is right. On the surface, an extended hug may seem harmless, even though deep down it creeps you out a little. Please take a look at the situation in 1 Coninthians 5. I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. Solomon, Bathshebas second son by David. The first half of the book, written by Lynne Hybels, explores the early years of Willow Creek and the personal accounts behind one of this century's most . Position? Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. Please do some reading on sex abuse and harassment. Blank stares all around. Ok, except that no one I know has heard of Willow Creek or Bill Hybels. (1 Cor. Jodi may get extra points for a time for her clever rant but if this thing goes south she will be the first to go. The church is one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. In my opinion this is sufficient proof to logically and reasonably conclude that Bill Hybels is guilty of clergy sexual misconduct and adultery, over an extended period of time. I want to make sure I understand you. How can this stand unchallenged? On the surface, an extended hug may seem harmless, even though deep down it creeps you out a little. What Hubris that is. To fellowship with other believers? They know exactly how to size people up, how to take advantage of their needs, insecurities, weaknesses, etc. who originally wrote plastic jesus - is lynne hybels still married to bill - is lynne hybels still married to bill But, years of playing the great man on stage can be a very powerful armor. has been proclaimed against the Devil and his Witches. Lets do church. To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. It doesnt matter what they were wearing, what they were drinking, etc. Then the man of God acts as if nothing happened.. @ Barbara Roberts: Things add up all too well, sadly. We experience the aftermath to this day. Anyone who would reject Jesus Christ as his/her savior because of this (or any) scandal was not saved in the first place. I stood up and walked out. Are you saying that God is insufficient in this situation? Young people are buying cuddle items. @ dee: Dee, I refuse to answer the question How many people have you led to Christ? That question has no place in our discussions. See, here is the problem . I dont hug random people, but it doesnt bother me, unless it twitches over to creep territory. Pew sitters paid for these seminars And thats how you end up with an entire institution being transformed in a little over two decades. If WC folds, its a clear indication. Bill did nothing wrong at all! I dont know how to respond to the letter. Ambien was his excuse and it worked for quite awhile. Last Son Standing? They think theyve stopped it. And David C Cook did not remove Tullian Tchividjians books at the time, though when I checked just now, it appears the only one they carry is the biography of Billy Graham for which he wrote the foreword. And with Invocation of GAWD subbing for the Ludes and Roofies. Does it lend itself to the overall problem? I have seen it for over 20 years. I worked for a large pharmaceutical firm. I am going to add one further post that will be two pictures and then I will allow all these posts to stay for comment. Ok whats wrong with this picture?? What I am remembering, and what troubled me then, is how these well-meaning people fell under the Willow Creek spell, and how their little, creaky, boring churches could not compete with the new mega entertainment center. I have heard sermons on the side hug. Tysvm Dee. She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. Your man-made system may not have won, but the winner here may be the truth, you know. Bob Buckner. predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. Its up to friends what they do. Thats a laugh. Hybels' name should be mentioned, yes, but in a Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) sort of way, with seasonal or continuous confession and sorrow and repentance. Well, to show you how prophetic I am, I predicted years ago that most mega churches would be car lots or community centers by now. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. 8 comments. Ive been thinking along similar lines for a few days, and its relevance to the question, How could this happen in whats been consider a pioneering egalitarian church?. The Church is built on Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, not on them. An honest person has nothing to hide and everything to gain and will save things because he is safe in the knowledge that evidence will only prove his innocence. The Eleven and Jesus followers went on to be faithful in following their Lord in establishing the Church by the power of the Holy Spirit. When one person has an experience like this with a trusted friend and spiritual leader, they typically dont know how to make sense of it. 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