Weve become friends. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. Page 26 of Case History. Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. Yes, isnt it shocking that some people would voice that a faulty investigation does not matter? If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. She was not given one inch of presumption of innocence. Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. Additionally, homicide or assault victims shot by someone else can test positive for GSR. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? You were not there and one thing I have learned about high profile cases, is that you cannot always believe what the media, biased detectives and Ann Rule have to say. In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Dianes lack of emotions and its relationship to her case. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. They were the small sacrifices. The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. Steve knew Danny was not his biological child and left Downs. During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. I am a firm believer of where there is smoke there is fire. Regardless of the facts you point out, there is no doubt in my mind that Diane Downs is guilty. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. I agree that the verdict may have been very different. One of the jurors finally declared we started as a group and finished as a group., He also said we dont want to put pressure on the group, we dont want to end up bickering. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. But the Parole Board refused to hear her. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. Once you are vilified in the media in the US, the way Downs and others have been, a lot of people shut their eyes and their mind to any other possibility than what was presented in the court of public opinion. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. For example, the abhorrent decision regarding Keli Lane: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.whimn.com.au/talk/news/why-i-think-keli-lane-should-not-be-in-prison/news-story/069a09c79589645c48de5bfa91e4ca0f. And Steven would hunt her down anyway and charm his way back into her life. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb: opinion, not fact This was the prosecution and conviction of (Elizabeth) Diane Downs who has now been incarcerated for too many years in one of Californias (overcrowded) State prisons. Yes, dad relinquished his rights but he knew that they loved their grandparents and had allowed Diane to take them for a visit without telling the authorities. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. It was pretty apparent during the course of this saga that the media and the state were willing to give a free pass to anyone willing to badmouth Diane. The US is a very strange bird when it comes to crime and punishment. And it is not like these two were white as snow. That doesnt make it true. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. WTF? No other shooter involved in her case. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. Danny was the product of an affair. Even if the nurses notes indicated countless times that the children asked for their mother and enjoyed her visits, they cut them off from the only family they knew and loved; supposedly for their own protection. The lack of balance and objectivity. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. The price of celebrity for her was losing her freedom and her children for life. To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. Plus, you do not let a newly appointed judge to criminal cases, preside over a high profile murder case when he has no experience whatsoever and has already prejudged the defendant dangerous to her children. This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. If not from her high profile status, she would already be out. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. The character of the accused is not the main ingredient, especially that in this case, there was a lot of bashing going on in the media and in court. I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. Inside, outside, top to bottom. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. Lise,,,,, yes you did. Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment? I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. Diane found a full-time job with the U.S. Post Office in 1981, and was stationed in Chandler. 5. You said yourself that the title was revealing. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. 3. He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. She took care of herself not her children. Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. There are documented cases of suicides where the person has no GNR, as well as murder cases. She always seems to have not a very close contact with reality. But I know that there were major problems with this case. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to It is called a conflict of interest. It was positive only on a small portion of her upper hand where she said the gun touched her when she wrestled with the attacker (a detail she had mentioned before they did the test). ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. And other inmates were released with worst backgrounds. CMOH said 2 doses = minimal protection against infection . And Im really not on the fence the little girl was coachedI believe the ex husband , his freinds, and her lovers were invalid either way. In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. Robert Schlosser, Cathy's father, lives in a 900 . On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. I am not sure of the exact timing of Dianes accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. You read a few comments. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believedit was the road to unconditional love. We make them president!!!! I think that looked at through a more objective lens, many aspects of the Downs case are highly questionable. What a terrible injustice. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. The reason Im harsh is because Ive detected that youve paid for this site and therefore cant be wrong. Is it too late to respond to this? Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. Are you still taking comments by email? Mr. But showing no remorse is part of claiming her innocence and part of the vicious circle of parole hearings. In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). Then feel free to correct the facts and to provide evidence to support them. Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. I am just curious. That wasn't all that stood in their way, as Diane eventually ran away from home. But in my opinion, it shows how Diane was disturbed and could also have found a better path in life if given the chance and the right support. The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. She did not fit in and was now anxious to assert her independence and live her own life. You are right. She was found guilty. Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. That was the extent of her investigation of Dianes side. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. He strung her along, played with both womens emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. Their marriage was described as tumultuous, with Downs allegedly disappearing for long periods of time with her children. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. After parting ways, the couple would soon meet again in Arizona which would end up in them reigniting and reconnecting their fling. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. Diane Downs' ex husband, Steve Downs, lost a lot in May 1983 when his ex wife shot their three children, following their divorce in 1980. I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. Or that they are not even curious about it. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. Theres a lot to be said here, still. She knew that Knickerbocker hated trouble of any kind, and thathe would have never come back to her after an ugly shooting where she had been wounded and her kids damaged. It was a dark and rural road. Being a patient of the doctor who saved the childrens lives has nothing to do with the facts of a case. She s. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. He didn't indicate whether Downs would appeal. The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. It can safely be presumed, other children told their parents, and that some of those parents reported the disturbing revelation to states Attorney, Prosecutor Fred Hugi. danny also said a cartoon character shot themalso he was SHOT IN THE BACK how could he see the shooter????????? I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. It should have been investigated further. The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. It was obvious to the cops and the prosecution because they proceeded to get her daughter to testify against her because they had nothing to prove she was the shooter. 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